228 A Traitor Mr. Hideo Oyamada（裏切り者小山田秀生）
Sawada[S]: Mr. Oyamada! Mr. Oyamada! Was Han mother born without original sin?
Oyamada[O]: If not, she couldn’t be Messiah.
S: You mean without original sin?
S: Han mother?
S: But, we didn’t learn such a teaching.
O: That’s a lie. You studied nothing. You don’t understand the Divine Principle at all.
S: Han mother was born without original sin, isn’t that the Divine Principle?
O: You are wrong.
S: So please let us know the details.
O: You, now, I’ve come to see other person. Hey, Don’t disturb!
S: I don’t disturb you.
O: You disturbing me. I’m going into, but you disturbing me. This man is disturbing me!
S: Mr. Oyamada, you said now, that it’s true that Han mother was born without original sin.
O: You, go out!
S: Pardon me? This is a public place.
O: Do you have a ticket? If not, you cannot go into.
S: This isn’t the concert hall. This is the inside of the building. Mr. Oyamada, you said that if Han mother was born with original sin, she couldn’t be Messiah. Was she born without original sin?
O: Of course. You don’t understand the Divine Principle at all.
S: Mr. Oyamada, do you know the “Kayaku-shik”?
S: Rev. Yu Jeong Ok told us that the “Kayaku shik” was the ceremony to redeem original sin for Han mother.
O: That man is crazy.
S: Oh! Who is crazy? Rev. Yu Jeong Ok? Mr. Oyamada, is Rev. Yu Jeong Ok crazy? I’ve heard that, now.
S: Mr. Oyamada, I think you are the authority on all of the doctrine, you said Han mother was born without original sin. True father was born with original sin, do you know the fact that Han mother said such a thing?
O: You understand nothing, you are stupid.
S: Oh, about what?
O: All right. Messiah is the man who redeems mankind by taking their sins upon himself. Although he wouldn’t be a sinner, he would be in the position of sinner.
S: Yes, Messiah is True father, isn’t he?
O: If one has original sin,one cannot be Messiah. All right?
S: Was Han mother also atoned original sin by True father?
S: I’ve learned somewhat like that.
O: You are quite wrong, you know nothing, you’ve studied nothing.
S: So, was Han mother born without original sin?
S: Was the thought changed to like that?
O: Not changed, it was originally determined. You studied nothing, you know nothing.
S: Regarding this, you should lecture to everyone about this thought clearly. Did you lecture to the public about this matter?
O: Always, I do.
S: To the public?
S: But, we don’t watch your video or something.
O: I’m not in charge of Japan, here.
S: Are you lecturing in foreign countries?
O: Yes, certainly.
S: By the way, how about the Han mother’s remark that True father had original sin?
O: That is,
O: if one has original sin, one cannot be Messiah.
S: I’ve understood Han mother. Han mother did remark that True father had original sin!
O: No. It’s quite wrong.
S: Dr. Kim Jin Choon had lectured it.
O: It’s quite wrong. You are quite wrong.